Our Dharma Presentation for this week was an exceprt from episode 76 of the podcast “The Way Out Is In,” in which Br. Phap Hu and Jo Confino discuss how we are conditioned to suffering and how that relates to having a spiritual dimension, as well as the question of whether Plum Village teaching is just “breathing and smiling.”

You can listen to the excerpt by clicking here, or listen to the entire episode here. You can find all episodes of the podcast on the Plum Village website.

You can also stream/download/subsribe wherever you normally listen to podcasts, such as Spotify, YouTube Music, and Apple Podcasts